02-04-2005, 03:56 AM
Dave,
Honestly you have no clue what you are talking about. This discussion is going nowhere quickly. Before you have the credentials to suggest how things should be translated, never mind the accusations you level, you need to educate yourself more (or, at least a little) on Aramaic, as right now you are likened to a pre-school child yelping at a Professor of English at Cambridge.
Whether you like it or not, except for Old Scratch, Aramaic texts follow Aramaic grammar. Nobody really cares about your opinions on how things should read, much less on doctrinal issues. Pick up Thackston's grammar and educate yourself a little bit so we can have a more engaging and intelligent discussion.
The reason why you don't translate Romans 8:16 as "She Spirit" instead of "That Spirit" is because the Aramaic word isn't being used there as "She". Not to mention the fact that it makes no sense in English whatsoever.
The Aramaic is there in the Interlinear for all to see - anyone who knows it knows the article in Romans 8:16 is feminine, as is the word for spirit to which it points.
How I translate the English is based on many factors, primarily how clear the English turns out. It's a balancing act. There's very rarely a case where some things are not lost - including things like gender where they are either unnecessary in English, or as in this case they are anathema in proper English grammar.
Move on, grab a book and read.
Honestly you have no clue what you are talking about. This discussion is going nowhere quickly. Before you have the credentials to suggest how things should be translated, never mind the accusations you level, you need to educate yourself more (or, at least a little) on Aramaic, as right now you are likened to a pre-school child yelping at a Professor of English at Cambridge.
Whether you like it or not, except for Old Scratch, Aramaic texts follow Aramaic grammar. Nobody really cares about your opinions on how things should read, much less on doctrinal issues. Pick up Thackston's grammar and educate yourself a little bit so we can have a more engaging and intelligent discussion.
The reason why you don't translate Romans 8:16 as "She Spirit" instead of "That Spirit" is because the Aramaic word isn't being used there as "She". Not to mention the fact that it makes no sense in English whatsoever.
The Aramaic is there in the Interlinear for all to see - anyone who knows it knows the article in Romans 8:16 is feminine, as is the word for spirit to which it points.
How I translate the English is based on many factors, primarily how clear the English turns out. It's a balancing act. There's very rarely a case where some things are not lost - including things like gender where they are either unnecessary in English, or as in this case they are anathema in proper English grammar.
Move on, grab a book and read.
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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