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Aramaic Odes of Solomon
#16
Shlama,

I know this thread is ancient, but I'm wondering if there were any updates on this. Having the Aramaic transcribed would be awesome!
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#17
Dave graciously sent me the book a couple of years ago, the Aramaic is beautiful. Someone who has the time to scan, let me know - I'll mail the book to you. (any volunteers?)
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#18
Hi, Paul!

I'll be happy to scan the pages for you, provided my doing so won't violate anyone's copyright. Also, the page size will need to fit my scanner (letter-size).

Let me know.

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#19
Doug Wrote:Hi, Paul!

I'll be happy to scan the pages for you, provided my doing so won't violate anyone's copyright. Also, the page size will need to fit my scanner (letter-size).

Let me know.

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Doug, that's great - PM me with your mailing address. Thanks!
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#20
This is getting interesting. I'm hoping we can get an OCR transcription of this. If not, at least we'll have the original Aramaic, but I would need it transcribed as a word processing document
to make a searchable text.

Dave Bauscher
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#21
Shlama,

This would be awesome to have!
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#22
Hi, Paul!

Have you received recent PMs from me?

-Whitey
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#23
Hi Doug,

Wrong forum to reach Paul. This is the Bible codes forum.

Dave
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#24
Hey Doug, I got them, sorry for the late reply. I will PM you...
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#25
Hello everyone. My name is Mike Karoules. I am 45 years old and live in Georgia, USA. I believe I am a pretty serious Bible student. Anyway, to make a long story shorter, I am anewbie here. This is my first reply. I read the post by Dave B. on Odes to Solomon and just wondering how this worked out and if he found any Bible Codes within this text?? What were the results?? I realize I ask this because this was bought up approximately 5 years ago. Did anything come of his investigation?? Thank-you.

I also am familiar with the bare basics of the history of Peshitta Primacy and of Aramaic Primacy. IOW, I have just started studying about this and doing some of my own personal research. So, I will be honest: I don't know much about beans at all. I am in first grade. I know the basics of the history of the Peshitta. Well, I should say just the "first grade" basics. I do know that the Peshitta did not acknowledge five particular books of the New Testament until the mid 19th century. I think the Western text included all 27 books of what we now call the New Testament. But the Eastern Peshitta just recently accepted them into their canon. I am just curious as to the "Code" as far as these 5 books are concerned: Jude, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, and Revelation. I would also like to know if the "code" has been checked out with other church or Christian letters of the New Testament era. Eager to hear from someone. To all I say "Greetings."

Thank you

Cordially,

Mike Karoules
Metro-Atlanta, Georgia
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#26
Hi Mike,

I can't really answer for the codes, that's our brother Dave's realm...but I wanted to clarify something, if I may:

Mike Wrote:But the Eastern Peshitta just recently accepted them into their canon.

These five books have never been included in the eastern canon. It is my understanding that the official position of the Church of the East is that the canon has been closed since the originals were received, is not open now, and will not be open in the future.

That being said, most printed copies of the eastern text include these five books. There are notes before the text of each book starts that these aren't part of the original Peshitta.

These books are included in modern printed copies for the benefit of those Aramaic-speaking people who belong to the Chaldean Catholic Church, which is an offshoot of the Church of the East that accepted Papal authority in the 16th century. They are communion with the Latin Rite within the Catholic Church, therefore they recognize these 5 books as inspired scripture.

Despite the fact that these books do not have "canonical" status within the traditional (non-Chaldean) branch of the Church of the East, members of the faithful are encouraged to read them, privately at home, for their own edification. These 5 books are considered "pious", but not at the level of "scripture."

They are not used during the service, and they are not part of the liturgical readings.

Take care!
Shamasha Paul Younan
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#27
Hello Mike,

I have not seen an Aramaic version of The Odes of Solomon yet. I would love to get one in digital form; otherwise, I cannot search it for codes.

All the codes I have found were discovered in the 27 book canon in Aramaic. I also compared "the Western 5" books in Aramaic and Greek word comparisons in Western Aramaic mss. and Greek mss.
and analyzed them via computer for evidence which determines primacy of Greek or Aramaic. These comparisons are in my free book download, "The Discovery of The New Testament That God Wrote", formerly title "Divine Contact". You can find this and my translations & other books from <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://aramaicnt.com">http://aramaicnt.com</a><!-- m -->. My translations have notes demonstrating the Aramaic primacy of the Western Five in the critical text I used. So the codes support the Divine inspiration and the primacy of all 27 Aramaic NT books; the linguistic analyses support the Aramaic primacy of all 27 books and the Greek as a translation of The Aramaic Peshitta and of the Aramaic Western 5.

I have not checked other Christian writings of the first century. I have compared other control texts in Hebrew-Aramaic, as well as in Greek. I don't know if anyone else has done so.

Blessings,

Dave Bauscher
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#28
Hello,
I have found this free pdf downloads:
The Odes and Psalms of Solomon; (Volume 1) - James Rendel
The text, with facsimile reproductions.

The Odes and Psalms of Solomon; (Volume 2) - James Rendel
The translation, with introduction and notes

Shlama
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#29
David,

Hello! Earlier in this thread there was a messege by Paul cautioning you from buying the Odes of Solomon because of his reservation that once you received them the text would not be in Aramaic. It was he or someone else that confirmed that the Odes were indeed in Aramaic and that you could go ahead and purchase them. But I have not searched all the messeges again to be sure this is what was advised to you. What happended?? Did you ever end up prchasing these Odes only to find out that they were not in Aramaic??

Were the Odes , therefore, not originally penned in Aramaic then afterall?? I just wanted to know whatever became of this "interest" or quest of yours concerning the Odes?? Did this quest eventually die on its tracks or something?? Do we know for sure that the Odes of Solomon are Aramaic??

Anyone can answer and hope this is not too laborious has I realize this thread is pretty old, but Dave was under a very real impression that this text, this work, could very well be "G-d breathed."

Also, Paul. I also sent you a personal messege yesterday and you may have replied but I don't know how to go or open up my own personal messege box. How do I do that?? Thanks for your understanding and patience, folks.

Cordially,

Mike Karoules
Metro-Atlanta, Georgia

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#30
Oh, David. This next question may be a "no-brainer" but it is just the way I am as I like to dot my "i's" and cross my t's. But I take it when you stated that you have not checked out any other Christian or church writing of the 1st century that you also have not checked out Bible Codes for any second century writings by Christians either??

Cordially,

Mike Karoules
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