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Peshitta version of the Gospel
#16
lol yes it makes sense. I speak Aussie, you speak American and the Queen speaks English...

But aren't Hebrew and Aramaic different languages? Similar I know, but still different right? If the Judeans called Aramaic Hebrew, what did they call Hebrew? Old Hebrew?
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#17
I mentioned this already on another thread, but I believe this language called 'Hebrew' to be merely a dialect of the same source language we label as 'Aramaic'. 'Habar' refers to those who crossed over as I said before. The fact that 'Hebrew' also took a script called 'Ktav Ashuri' which literally means 'Assyrian Writing' shows the close link. The key question is, when in linguistic terms do we begin to demarcate between a 'language' and a 'dialect'? For me, 'Hebrew' is not sufficiently distinct [and neither are many other Semetic languages] enough from the source language to be regarded as a different 'language'.

With regard to what Kiraz said, I posted it because he is a Jacobite who believes that the Peshitta is a translation from the Greek, whereas many Eastern Christians don't believe this to be the case. I am not saying he is right or wrong, or anyone here is either. I agree that some words probably make more sense interpreted in such a language as 'Aramaic' because one word can have several distinct meanings unlike in 'Indo-European' languages such as Greek.
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#18
This topic would make an excellent article for the FAQ forum!
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#19
drmlanc Wrote:This topic would make an excellent article for the FAQ forum!

I agree!

Akhi Gentile - For your information, Dr. Kiraz also happens to be a deacon in the Syriac Orthodox Church. And don't let the title fool you - the church is very heavily Greek-based, part of the Byzantine tradition and are very dedicated Greek-primacists.

Finally, Mr. Kiraz studied under Dr. Sebastian Brock in Oxford - who, although a great Aramaic scholar, is part of the "establishment" (if you know what I mean - he sits on an influential "chair.") Prof. Brock would have never given Dr. Kiraz the credentials and degrees that he has, if Dr. Kiraz was a "nutcase" like us.

Draw your own conclusions......
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#20
Thank you Paul. I will be sure to draw my own conclusions but even before I joined this forum I was already leaning towards the idea that the Peshitta made more sense than the early Greek, but I think we encounter the same conflict as one does when considering whether the Septuagint or the Masoretic text is superior. The debate is almost identical. As with both the OT and the NT, I just want to find out which is at least the closest to the original message of God to us, thats why I ask such questions and put the opposing view across. <!-- s:bomb: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/bomb.gif" alt=":bomb:" title="The Bomb" /><!-- s:bomb: -->

By the way Paul are you familiar with the Assyrian Church in London UK at all which is in a town called Ealing located close to me, just wondering. It is a Nestorian church.
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Gentile Wrote:By the way Paul are you familiar with the Assyrian Church in London UK at all which is in a town called Ealing located close to me, just wondering. It is a Nestorian church.

I know of the one we have on Westminster Road in Hanwell - is that the same one?
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#22
Yeah I think its that one. I might pop in some Sunday to see a service and how it differs from the usual Anglican ones I have seen.
Are they similar at all to Orthodox services with incense and much artwork and ostentation [that is compared to Protestant services]?
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Gentile Wrote:Yeah I think its that one. I might pop in some Sunday to see a service and how it differs from the usual Anglican ones I have seen.
Are they similar at all to Orthodox services with incense and much artwork and ostentation [that is compared to Protestant services]?

Shlama Akhi Gentile,

Lots of incense - but absolutely no artwork. Inside, the Church of the East is as bare as the synagogue (save for a Cross.)
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