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Praise Yahuah we have the perfect new, but what of the Old?
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I posted something similar to this before in the past before peshitta.org got hacked into, but I can no longer find it nor use this thing as well. I praise God that through D. Bauscher's wonderful research, we have the original NT on the face of this earth. (Please take no offense that I am a fan of Dave's work and believe that HIS version is the true new testament of Elohim, letter to letter as his codes confirm. This is my personal belief, and I believe all you scholars are men of Elohim for your work anyway.

However, the OT seems to be a bit more complex. There are many variations in the Masoretic, Lxx, and Targums. The Masoretic seems to be heavily errored in many places, and the OT verses dont seem to match up with the fulfilled NT prophecies a lot of the time, while the LXX and the Targums sometimes do. There are many more examples to give, but my wrists are hurting now so I'd rather not go into it.

So heres a basic question for anybody who wishes to answer-do you think our OT today in most Bibles has enough errors to be suspicious of it? Am I straining at a gnat? Am I wrong for wanting a COMPLETELY perfect Bible? Is there a way to reconstruct the OT to find its true origins and figure out all the mismatches and errors? <!-- sSleepy --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sleepy.gif" alt="Sleepy" title="Sleepy" /><!-- sSleepy -->
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rungold315 Wrote:I posted something similar to this before in the past before peshitta.org got hacked into, but I can no longer find it nor use this thing as well. I praise God that through D. Bauscher's wonderful research, we have the original NT on the face of this earth. (Please take no offense that I am a fan of Dave's work and believe that HIS version is the true new testament of Elohim, letter to letter as his codes confirm. This is my personal belief, and I believe all you scholars are men of Elohim for your work anyway.

I also have Bauscher's Interlinear version, and I commend him for putting in so much effort in presenting the originality and reliability of the Peshitta. I believe that the Peshitta NT is the closest version we have to the original penned by the apostles. I believe that the codes validate that the Peshitta NT is the most faithful transmission of the original.

However I still have respect for the Greek NT and still make use of and consult it. As flawed as the Greek NT is, it's still authoritive, the word of God is authoritive no matter what language it's written/translated in. And no one can deny that millions of souls have been brought to Messiah through the Greek NT throughout the centuries. Does that prove that the Greek NT is the original? No. Does it prove that the power of Rukha D'Qudsha is not limited by a flawed translation? YES!!! Whatever one's position is regarding the Greek NT, the point is the Peshitta should be made COMPULSORY for Bible study and scholarship IMO, it's been ignored for far too long.

Quote:However, the OT seems to be a bit more complex. There are many variations in the Masoretic, Lxx, and Targums. The Masoretic seems to be heavily errored in many places, and the OT verses dont seem to match up with the fulfilled NT prophecies a lot of the time, while the LXX and the Targums sometimes do. There are many more examples to give, but my wrists are hurting now so I'd rather not go into it.


And let's add the Peshitta Tanakh, Dead Sea Scrolls, Samaritan Torah & Vulagate to the list. A note on the Vulgate - although it's certainly not original, it's one of the oldest and most influential translations so I think it's still worth consulting, for historical purposes if not textual critical purposes.

Quote:So heres a basic question for anybody who wishes to answer-do you think our OT today in most Bibles has enough errors to be suspicious of it? Am I straining at a gnat? Am I wrong for wanting a COMPLETELY perfect Bible? Is there a way to reconstruct the OT to find its true origins and figure out all the mismatches and errors? <!-- sSleepy --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sleepy.gif" alt="Sleepy" title="Sleepy" /><!-- sSleepy -->

A completely perfect Bible would be ideal, but the reality is that the Holy Scriptures of our dear MASTER were tranmitted and translated by mere mortals, and becuase men are imperfect, inperfections in the various texts & translations, were and are inevitable. However overall most of the scribes and translators did a pretty good job, some under extremely difficult circumstances. Besides one must wonder, if we truly had the 100% error originals penned by the original authors themselves would we go on our knees to THE MASTER as often as we do? Perhaps there's a reason for this after all, if we knew everything there is to know concerning the Sacred Word of Almighty God, then we could be tempted not consult HIM and our relationship with HIM may suffer and even cease! Think about that.

All the texts & translations we have, no matter how imperfect they are, are in the end, witness to the God-breathed orignal. I think the closet we'll ever come to reconstructing the original text is to consult EVERY witness, instead of just single out one which we believe is the original. What we have is not perfect but all we can do is the best we can with what we have until our MASTER returns.

Blessings.
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Great thoughts Christine, I would only add that the Greek New Testament is our best friend. Without the faithful translation, often at the expense of proper grammar, without those people responsible for the manuscripts we have in Greek, we would not have the internal evidence we do that behind it lay an Aramaic substratum.

These people were probably like the bilingual authors of the LXX, and went to great lengths to stay as close to the original as possible, even if proper grammar be sacrificed.

There was of course such a thing as "Koine" Greek, but not a phrase of the GNT resembles it....rather, it resembles the Greek of the LXX.

The GNT is our friend, a precious and holy resource like the LXX.
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Shlama all,

Quote:I praise God that through D. Bauscher's wonderful research, we have the original NT on the face of this earth. (Please take no offense that I am a fan of Dave's work and believe that HIS version is the true new testament of Elohim, letter to letter as his codes confirm.
No offense whaever taken, Ryan! <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

I also agree with Paul and Christine concerning the Greek NT. It , in all its mss. and text types, is a first century witness to the first century Aramaic text, and without it, we would have no first century witness (and most NT scholars agree that the Greek was written in the 1st century) to the Peshitta's existence.

I'm not so sure that we can reconstruct the Tanakh as accurately as we can The NT. I would like to think we can, but I also like to think that we have been spoiled in our time with a wealth of information and access to mss. and editions and we produce so little fruit with all this knowledge.

The saints of centuries past had so little information, comparatively speaking, often a handwritten manuscript or only what they could hear read at church. They would have wept if they could have a Bible of their own. I remember also hearing about Jewish prisoners in Auschwitz, one of whom had a Hebrew Bible.
He would allow other prisoners to touch or kiss it if they would give him a day's ration of food. Most of them obliged, and would kiss the Bible with tears running down their face.

I'm not sure we deserve a perfect Bible. I want to love my God as I love breath itself- even more. Perhaps someday.

Perhaps,someday.

And if that day comes, I won't even care about errors in The Bible. Every Bible will be perfect to me.

Somehow, I believe that is the way it is. If a person does not know the truth, that is his problem, ultimately.

"Ask, and it will be given you; Seek, and you shall find;Knock, and it shall be opened."

Once we have Yeshua, we have The Truth, The Way, The Life.

Thomas A Kempis wrote in the 1300's:
Quote:"Christ is The Way- the way in which we should walk. Christ is The Truth- The Truth we should know.
Christ is the Life- The Life we should live."

That Bible is available to all, and is Perfect forever.


Blessings,


Dave Bauscher
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Paul Younan Wrote:Great thoughts Christine, I would only add that the Greek New Testament is our best friend. Without the faithful translation, often at the expense of proper grammar, without those people responsible for the manuscripts we have in Greek, we would not have the internal evidence we do that behind it lay an Aramaic substratum.

These people were probably like the bilingual authors of the LXX, and went to great lengths to stay as close to the original as possible, even if proper grammar be sacrificed.

There was of course such a thing as "Koine" Greek, but not a phrase of the GNT resembles it....rather, it resembles the Greek of the LXX.

The GNT is our friend, a precious and holy resource like the LXX.

Well said.
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