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How does Zorba proof Greek primacy? - drmlanc - 09-22-2003
Do Zorbans actually make a case for Greek primacy, or is it just assumed? Taken for granted?
Do they actually have ways of 'proving' that the NT was written in Greek. Besides of course, just saying "there is heaps of manuscript evidence"... There are heaps of English versions too, the NT must have been written in English... <!-- s
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. - drmlanc - 09-22-2003
I found this:
>>The Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles, according to Tradition, were written by a Greek physician named Luke who had been converted by Paul, to the Greek playwrite Theophilus (see Acts 1:1, the book of the Acts being a continuation of the Lukian Gospel). Why would a Greek write to another Greek in Aramaic? Especially considering that fact that Aramaic was only a vernacular, and not a formal language. It is probable that Christ and the Apostles spoke Aramaic as their first language, but such was not studied by the Greeks, to whom the majority of the New Testament is addressed.
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Wasn't Luke Assyrian??? Weren't the earliest Christians in Greece, Judeans and other Semites?
. - drmlanc - 09-22-2003
Besides assumptions like the above, I have been unable to find decent evidence of Greek primacy. Is this for real? Aren't Zorbans able to prove that the NT was written in Greek? And if not, why the heck is it so accepted?!?!
- Dave - 09-23-2003
Aren't Zorbans able to prove that the NT was written in Greek? And if not, why the heck is it so accepted?!?!
because it was the first on the scene, and there is some history to it. Now if the peshitta was the first on the scene, then it would hold the the position. That's the way of life as we know it. This is true.
Besides, God quickens the word in Greek, Syriac, English,... you name it. If your not experiencing it,...your missing out. Kindof makes the arguements over it null and void, to one that is Spirit filled.
For me, the truths that are found in the Peshitta are superb, and do more to help me understand passages that the Greek obscures. I don't argue over the priorities, what's done is done,...now, how does it help improve our understanding? I think considerably!
. - drmlanc - 09-23-2003
1) Go to the middle east and ask them which was first on the scene <!-- s
--><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s -->2) The Peshitta makes it clear that Jesus is God and that teh Sabbath is still relevant, while many Greek texts are not so clear on these issues.
It is obvious that the outcome of the "Bible wars" affects doctrine.
- Paul Younan - 09-23-2003
Really, I think Akhan Dave hits upon a very good point here.
The Greek was the "first on the scene", as far as European Christianity was concerned. Therefore since your immediate heritage derives from European Christianity, then this is why the theory of Greek primacy is so strong here in the West.
Dave and Chris - there are no significant theological differences between what the Aramaic says and what the Greek says. But really examining the evidence should convince any reasonable person that the "scholarly consensus" here in the West is faulty with regard to the Greek primacy of the NT.
Dave is right in saying that the message is the most important part. I don't pretend to tell anyone that the message is superior in the Aramaic - only that it more strongly reinforces what we already know and the faith that has already been handed down to us.
But I think, again, an examination of the evidence will convince any reasonable person that the Aramaic was the source for the Greek.
Message very important - yes, indeed. But there are thousands of websites dedicated to that important message - ours is one of a handful dedicated to this topic. So that's why, Dave, we seem to sometimes put so much emphasis on the linguistics and primacy here.
. - drmlanc - 09-23-2003
Akhi Paul, I actually believe it is vital to have the most original Bible you can obtain. What is teh Bible is further and further diluted, is it the same?
For instance, which English versions simply say "Sabbath" in Heb 4:9? Hardly any!
How many English and Greek versions call Yeshu' "Maryah"?
Do not downplay your work Akhi. It is the work of the Lord.
Re: . - Paul Younan - 09-23-2003
drmlanc Wrote:Akhi Paul, I actually believe it is vital to have the most original Bible you can obtain. What is teh Bible is further and further diluted, is it the same?
For instance, which English versions simply say "Sabbath" in Heb 4:9? Hardly any!
How many English and Greek versions call Yeshu' "Maryah"?
Do not downplay your work Akhi. It is the work of the Lord.
Ahh, Akhi - there is no way that God works through sinners like me. This could be done much better by hundreds of thousands of others who know the language better than I do. This just started out as my Qorban to God for giving me my daughter after so many years of my wife and I being barren - and that's all I ever wanted to do. It's a hobby, really.
Those things you spoke of above, about "Maryah" and the "Sabbath" - these are things that are in the Greek text, too. If you look hard enough. Zorba really did do a fantastic job - not perfect, but pretty darn good as far as translations go. The message is in the Greek, too. Kinda like seeing through fog.
It's just that in the Aramaic, it's a little clearer.
- Dave - 09-23-2003
"It's just that in the Aramaic, it's a little clearer."
And that's the point to it all. It helps to bring a farther understanding that we couldn't have in just the greek alone.
I don't really try to take a side on the "who's first, what's on second" debate that a lot of scholars do (and have for centuries),...really, I'm just a born again christian who loves God's word. And Your site Paul, has opened my eyes much farther, which speaks volumes about the sincerety of the work you and your friends do here,.....truth, is a desire.
If I came off brash like a bull in a china shop, please I don't mean to, it seems to be part of my charactor at times.
- Paul Younan - 09-23-2003
Dave Wrote:If I came off brash like a bull in a china shop, please I don't mean to, it seems to be part of my charactor at times.
No you didn't - but I've been guilty of 1000 times worse before - jusk ask the regulars. <!-- s:lookround: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lookround.gif" alt=":lookround:" title="Look Round" /><!-- s:lookround: -->
- The Thadman - 09-24-2003
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