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Last Verse in Peshitta's Romans - Burning one - 06-15-2010

Shlama,


in the book of Romans, the last verse in the Peshitta is the 24th verse in the Greek manuscripts. i compared the content of that particular passage with Paul's other letters, and the phrase "grace be with you" appears in some form or another in the last verse of of every one except 2 Corinthians, where it is in the second to last verse.

i know this is a minor aspect, but it just seems to bolster the idea that the Peshitta's ending of Romans is indeed the original ending.

thoughts?


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy


Re: Last Verse in Peshitta's Romans - ograabe - 07-04-2010

This seems to support the idea that Paul wrote Hebrews as well.

Otto


Re: Last Verse in Peshitta's Romans - Sami Rabia - 07-04-2010

Burning one Wrote:Shlama,


in the book of Romans, the last verse in the Peshitta is the 24th verse in the Greek manuscripts. i compared the content of that particular passage with Paul's other letters, and the phrase "grace be with you" appears in some form or another in the last verse of of every one except 2 Corinthians, where it is in the second to last verse.

i know this is a minor aspect, but it just seems to bolster the idea that the Peshitta's ending of Romans is indeed the original ending.

thoughts?


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy

Did you mean First Corinthians Akhi?
1st Corinthians
last verse - My love be with you all in Messiah.
Second to last verse, The Grace of our Lord Messiah be with you.

2nd Corinthians
last verse - The Grace of the Lord Jesus Messiah.
second to last last verse - All the holy ones greet you.

But its quite interesting how consistent this is, I'd never really noticed it before.


Re: Last Verse in Peshitta's Romans - Burning one - 07-04-2010

ograabe Wrote:This seems to support the idea that Paul wrote Hebrews as well.

Otto


Shlama akhi,


i thought the same thing upon seeing this connection throughout his letters. i've always wondered if that tradition really was so.
and to be honest, i don't know if anybody else here who reads the Peshitta in the Aramaic has noticed this or not, but Hebrews SOUNDS like Paul's other letters, at least to me. i've been mostly in his letters the past year, and when i went through James and Peter and 1 John, they read differently in tone, yet Hebrews did have the feel of Paul's letters. perhaps Paul (Younan) <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink --> or Abudar2000, or anyone else for that matter (you?) who is lurking around here can vouch for my observation. <!-- s:lookround: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lookround.gif" alt=":lookround:" title="Look Round" /><!-- s:lookround: --> <!-- s:lookround: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lookround.gif" alt=":lookround:" title="Look Round" /><!-- s:lookround: --> <!-- s:lookround: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lookround.gif" alt=":lookround:" title="Look Round" /><!-- s:lookround: -->


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy


Re: Last Verse in Peshitta's Romans - Burning one - 07-04-2010

Sami Rabia Wrote:
Burning one Wrote:Shlama,


in the book of Romans, the last verse in the Peshitta is the 24th verse in the Greek manuscripts. i compared the content of that particular passage with Paul's other letters, and the phrase "grace be with you" appears in some form or another in the last verse of of every one except 2 Corinthians, where it is in the second to last verse.

i know this is a minor aspect, but it just seems to bolster the idea that the Peshitta's ending of Romans is indeed the original ending.

thoughts?


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy

Did you mean First Corinthians Akhi?
1st Corinthians
last verse - My love be with you all in Messiah.
Second to last verse, The Grace of our Lord Messiah be with you.

2nd Corinthians
last verse - The Grace of the Lord Jesus Messiah.
second to last last verse - All the holy ones greet you.

But its quite interesting how consistent this is, I'd never really noticed it before.


Shlama akhi,

yes, 1st Corinthians is what i intended. sorry for the slip-up! <!-- sBlush --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/blush.gif" alt="Blush" title="Blush" /><!-- sBlush -->

i hadn't noticed it before either, until i recently read the unique ending of Romans in the Peshitta, and the idea came to me to check the other letters and see if there was any "standard closing" for his letters.


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy


Re: Last Verse in Peshitta's Romans - Stephen Silver - 07-05-2010

Shlama Khulkhon:
After a study and meditation,some years ago as to the whereabouts of Paul's "signature" endings of all of his epistles I came to the understanding that they are an embellishment, a "hiddur mitzvah", if you will. They all originate in the phrase of Psalm 122:6-8, where it reads "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. May they prosper that love you." "shaalu sh'lom Yerushalayim yishlau ovayikh". Again in 122:8, "the phrase for my brethren and companion's sakes I will now say peace be within you." "L'man akhi v'rayai adab'rah-na shalom bakh" Rabbi Shlomo Carlbach made this phrase into a beautiful song.

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Of course this is the Hebrew from the Massoretic text but the phraseology comes through nicely at the end of Paul's Aramaic written epistles in slightly different forms as he blesses individual brethren and the edutha collectively.

Beginning with Romans 16:21-23 similarities can be seen. The Hebrew "shaalu sh'lom" is equivalent to the pleural form "shalin washalmakhon". In I Corinthians 16:19-21 the phrase is developed even more. In II Corinthians 13:12-13 the same signature is used. In Galatians 6:16 there is a hint of the same equivalence. In Ephesians 6:23 Paul's signature blessing is apparent. Again in Phillipiahs 4:21-22 the same phrase is used. Colossians 4:10-18 appears to be the longest variant of this unique signature of the apostle Paul. I Thessalonians 5:25-26 is a clear equivalence which I strongly believe brings to remembrance the unique attachment between the Christian saints and holy Jerusalem. II Thessalonians 3:17 is where Paul affirms that he uses this unique signature.

"Salutation by the writing of my hand, I Paulos, have written which is the sign in all my epistles, so I write." JWE Translation

The salutation is obscured at the end of I Timothy but present in II Timothy 4:19-22. Titus 3:15 shows the salutation. Philemon verse 24 also demonstrates the signature of Paulos. Finally, Hebrews 13:24 should end the misunderstanding that Hebrews was written by anyone else but the Hebrew of Hebrews, the apostle Paul. The phrase "shaalu b'shlama d'khulhon" completes the thread which is an embellishment of Psalm 122:6-8 inclusive.

This Psalm is the third of the "ascents" which were sung by the Levites to call pilgrims to the festivals from the 15 steps of the portico which separated the heights between the lower Court from the upper court. How fitting for Paulos to draw an allusion to Holy Jerusalem in his signature salutations, the water mark of all of his epistles.

Shlama,
Stephen Silver
Dukhrana Biblical Research
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Re: Last Verse in Peshitta's Romans - Burning one - 07-05-2010

Shlama akhi Stephen,


thanks for the added info - i was not aware of the parallel/origin. but this solidifies even further the evidence that all those letters were truly written from a single source -- whether one wants to go with Greek or Aramaic primacy, so this is a good observation for the entire Body in the realm of apologetics.

this shows that the author most assuredly would have been singular, and a Hebrew, at that, and not disparate writers from a Gentile side.

very interesting!


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy


Re: Last Verse in Peshitta's Romans - distazo - 07-06-2010

I just want to add a few cents
In Galation 6:11 Paul also adds his personal handwriting (not the big letters, which the greek seems to have)