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Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Stephen Silver - 10-12-2009
Shlama Khulkon:
If you get the chance, download the Mingana Peshitta. I'd really appreciate some discussion as to its content. For example the word ???????????????? "b'hym'nutha", "by faith" in Hebrews chapter 11 is in red ink to accentuate each example of faith.
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This manuscript is more accurate than the Khabouris Codex. Yes, the age of the Khabouris manuscript is compelling but accuracy trumps age. Understand that the errors in the Khabouris Codex are few indeed. However, the text of the Mingana Peshitta New Testament is legible throughout. It's written in the East Adiabene textual style.
Shlama,
Stephen Silver
Dukhrana Biblical Research
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Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Stephen Silver - 10-12-2009
Shlama Khulkon:
I think I've found the reason for another "possible" error in the Khabouris Codex. In Matthew 1:6 there is a proclitic VAV added to
Jesse begat David the king, and David begat Solomon of the wife of Uriah
???????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????????? ???? ?????????? ????????????
The VAV could just be a period at the end of the previous line as in the Mingana Peshitta, which may have been large enough to have been mistaken for a VAV. It's a possibility.
Shlama,
Stephen Silver
Dukhrana Biblical Research
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Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Phil - 10-12-2009
Stephen
Maybe you'd like to check these manuscripts as well, although they are only fragments:
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Shlama
Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Stephen Silver - 10-12-2009
Shlama Akhi Phil:
That's a nice collection of fragments. I like the zoom feature but I really need to download the manuscript fragments so that I can examine them off-line. Is that possible?
Shlama,
Stephen Silver
Dukhrana Biblical Research
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Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Phil - 10-12-2009
Stephen,
I would like to download it too, but I think that is not possible. I try the server where the images are hosted here (MS. 716), but those images are splited in little squares.
Shlama
Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Lars Lindgren - 10-12-2009
Phil Wrote:Stephen,
I would like to download it too, but I think that is not possible. I try the server where the images are hosted here (MS. 716), but those images are splited in little squares.
Shlama
Shlama akhay Phil w'Stephen,
Images splitted into little squares can pretty easily be assembled again with some Image Magick :-)
Check this out! Page 343 of Ms. 0829:
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If you guys are interested in the rest of the manuscripts I can probably find time to do them later this week!
Push b'shayna,
Lars
Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Phil - 10-13-2009
Lars,
This would be great!
Thank you!
Shlama
Lars Lindgren Wrote:Phil Wrote:Stephen,
I would like to download it too, but I think that is not possible. I try the server where the images are hosted here (MS. 716), but those images are splited in little squares.
Shlama
Shlama akhay Phil w'Stephen,
Images splitted into little squares can pretty easily be assembled again with some Image Magick :-)
Check this out! Page 343 of Ms. 0829:
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If you guys are interested in the rest of the manuscripts I can probably find time to do them later this week!
Push b'shayna,
Lars
Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Lars Lindgren - 10-14-2009
Shlama,
I have now downloaded and processed all three manuscripts. You may download them from <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://dukhrana.com/ms/">http://dukhrana.com/ms/</a><!-- m -->
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Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Phil - 10-14-2009
Lars,
THANK YOU!!!
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Mingana Codex - Peshitta Masorah - Stephen Silver - 10-16-2009
Shlama Khulkon:
I'm working my way through the Mingana Codex and I'm compiling an Index. I'm using the same simple format as I did with the Khabouris Codex and the Crawford Codex. When completed Lars will place the manuscript pages along with the index on the Peshitta Page at Dukhrana for all to use and enjoy. There are some unique variants in the Mingana Peshitta. Sometimes it leans toward the UBS 1905 and sometimes it reads like the Khabouris. There will be food for discussion.
What we have here is in all likelihood, the best example of the Eastern Peshitta Masorah to date. The Mingana Codex of the Peshitta Masorah has just become digitized and is now available to the world. What a treasure it is. The reading may take some getting used to for some that are not acquainted with the East Adiabene textual style. The letter DALET and the letter RESH are only distinguishable with the pointer or if the word is recognized.
Here is a starter. It's the Index of the Gospel of Matthew for the Mingana Codex. Enjoy!
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NOTE: The numbering of the pages is off because page 33 and page 133 don't exist. When the complete text appears on Dukhrana they will be in their proper sequence.
MINGANA PESHITTA
Index
DUKHRANA BIBLICAL RESEARCH
Copyright 2009
Matthew
14a 1:1 - 1:17, 14b 1:17 - 2:6, 15a 2:6 - 2:16, 15b 2:16 - 3:7,
16a 3:7 - 4:4, 16b 4:4 - 4:18, 17a 4:18 - 5:10, 17b 5:10 - 5:22,
18a 5:22 - 5:36, 18b 5:36 - 6:2, 19a 6:2 - 6:17, 19b 6:17 - 6:29,
20a 6:29 - 7:10, 20b 7:10 - 7:24, 21a 7:24 - 8:9, 21b 8:9 - 8:24,
22a 8:24 - 9:4, 22b 9:4 - 9:17, 23a 9:17 - 9:33, 23b 9:33 - 10:9,
24a 10:9 - 10:22, 24b 10:22 - 10:35, 25a 10:35 - 11:8, 25b 11:8 - 11:23,
26a 11:23 - 12:7, 26b 12:7 - 12:24, 27a 12:24 - 12:36, 27b 12:36 - 12:47,
28a 12:47 - 13:13, 28b 13:13 - 13:25, 29a 13:25 - 13:36, 29b 13:36 - 13:51,
30a 13:51 - 14:9, 30b 14:9 - 14:24, 31a 14:24 - 15:5, 31b 15:5 - 15:21,
32a 15:21 - 15:32, 32b 15:32 - 16:8,
33a 16:8 - 16:21, 33b 16:21 - 17:4, Page 34 has become page 33 and all subsequent numbers have been corrected.
34a 17:4 - 7:17, 34b 17:17 - 18:3, 35a 18:3 - 18:14, 35b 18:14 - 18:26,
36a 18:26 - 19:5, 36b 19:5 - 19:17, 37a 19:17 - 19:28, 37b 19:28 - 20:13,
38a 20:13 - 20:25, 38b 20:25 - 21:4, 39a 21:4 - 21:17, 39b 21:17 - 21:27,
40a 21:27 - 21:39, 40b 21:39 - 22:9, 41a 22:9 - 22:24, 41b 22:24 - 22:41,
42a 22:41 - 23:13, 42b 23: 13 - 23:25, 43a 23:25 - 23:36, 43b 23:36 - 24:9,
44a 24:9 - 24:25, 44b 24:25 - 24:38, 45a 24:38 - 25:2, 45b 25:2 - 25:19,
46a 25:19 - 25:30, 46b 25:30 - 25:43, 47a 25:43 - 26:10, 47b 26:10 - 26:25,
48a 26:25 - 26:38, 48b 26:38 - 26:50, 49a 26:50 - 26:62, 49b 26:62 - 26:75,
50a 26:75 - 27:14, 50b 27:15 - 27:27, 51a 27:27 - 27:43, 51b 27:43 - 27:57,
52a 27:58 - 28:4, 52b 28:4 - 28:18, 53a 28:18 - 28:20.
Shlama,
Stephen Silver
Dukhrana Biblical Research
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Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Burning one - 10-17-2009
Shlama,
the work y'all are providing is simply priceless! Dukhrana is quickly becoming the essential internet site for Peshitta lovers! much thanks!!!
i'm not a Catholic - and i don't know about y'all, but y'all have my vote for sainthood! you don't mind, do you?
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Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Stephen Silver - 10-17-2009
Burning one Wrote:Shlama,
the work y'all are providing is simply priceless! Dukhrana is quickly becoming the essential internet site for Peshitta lovers! much thanks!!!
i'm not a Catholic - and i don't know about y'all, but y'all have my vote for sainthood! you don't mind, do you?
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Shlama Burning One:
I'm getting goose-pimples on my duck-bumps.
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Stephen
Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Burning one - 10-17-2009
Stephen Silver Wrote:Burning one Wrote:Shlama,
the work y'all are providing is simply priceless! Dukhrana is quickly becoming the essential internet site for Peshitta lovers! much thanks!!!
i'm not a Catholic - and i don't know about y'all, but y'all have my vote for sainthood! you don't mind, do you?
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Shlama Burning One:
I'm getting goose-pimples on my duck-bumps.
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Shlama w'Burkate,
Stephen
hmm...either that's a really good thing, or else you have the bird flu. <!-- s
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Jeremy
Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Stephen Silver - 10-17-2009
Shlama Akhi Jeremy:
It's all good. I've worked my way into Romans and I should finish the entire Index in a few days, depending upon the time available. Since I had to change the page numbering to fill in for 33 and 133 the Index for the Mingana Codex will only make sense when Lars Lindgren presents it in its corrected form on the Peshitta Page at Dukhrana. As I said, there are some variants in the reading which seem to support the Khabouris Codex more than the UBS 1905. However, the scribes noted the variants and many of these annotations support my original findings when I first transcribed the Khabouris Codex in 2005. Most of the variants so far are grammatical. Synonyms are virtually non-existent among the Eastern Peshitta manuscripts. I think I found one once but now I can't remember where it was. That's how rare they are. <!-- s:wow: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wow.gif" alt=":wow:" title="Wow" /><!-- s:wow: -->
There are so many scribal annotations on every page that it will take a special task to transcribe, translate and collate all of them.
Shlama,
Stephen Silver
Dukhrana Biblical Research
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Re: Mingana Peshitta Massorah - Burning one - 10-18-2009
Shlama,
Wow...so is that Romans according to the Eastern order lineup? where do you find the time for all this? <!-- s:onfire: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/onfire.gif" alt=":onfire:" title="On Fire" /><!-- s:onfire: -->
also will it be available in the analysis tool as the 1905 and Khabouris are? is that the goal to which you're working?
i've been doing personal translations from the Khabouris into English in my limited free time this past year -- i've only done 4 books thus far -- and i haven't yet downloaded this Mingana text, so in your opinion is there sufficient difference between the two to merit producing an English translation of this text?
Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy