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Shlama lukhon,

While Hebrew Isaiah 11:1 reads: "And a shoot will spring forth from the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall sprout from his roots",

The ancient Jewish Targumist(s) understood this verse as applying directly to the Messiah as evidenced by thier Aramaic paraphrase shown below:

ybrty yhwnb ynbm 'xySmw ySyd yhwnbm 'klm qwpyw

"The King will come from the sons of Jesse, and the Messiah will grow from the sons of his sons"

Shlama Akhi Dean,

That's an incredible reading. It always made me wonder, if Yeshua wasn't the Meshikha - how would we be able to be sure that anyone today would have lineage from Jesse? Are lineages even kept anymore?
Quote:how would we be able to be sure that anyone today would have lineage from Jesse? Are lineages even kept anymore?
I believe one of the major "spell everything out for us" expectations of modern Orthodox Jews is that he will reveal his genealogy and the genealogy of Priests, Levites, and those from the 10 tribes. How they would go about checking its validity is beyond me. <!-- s:lookround: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lookround.gif" alt=":lookround:" title="Look Round" /><!-- s:lookround: -->

(Btw if you wanna see a very funny website on this check out <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href=";">;</a><!-- w --> the official japanese-looking website of the misguided followers of the Lubavitcher Rebbe)

I think it's possible to a vague extant to trace back genealogies using last names (ie. Cohen, Levi), but not to the extent that would be required for an impeccable tree.
Dean is that Targum Yonatan? Yes that is a very Messianic Targum <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
Shlama Akhi Rob,

I believe it is Targum Yonatan. The top of the column in the printed version simply says Nnwgrt

This is the Targum included with most of the books of the prophets published by typical Jewish publishers.


Check out the last verse of the Messianic chapter:

Isaiah Wrote:And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Has this been fulfilled yet?
No. Check out verse 11.

Quote:In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea.

Dean, check out the Targum of chapter 49-53. If it says "My servant, the Messiah" then it is Targum Yonatan.

Sometimes when I read this sort of stuff it reminds me of Luke 16:19-31

Quote:"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
No ... Paul, I dont think this happened yet but its an amazing prophecy.

The neat thing about Targum Isaiah 11:1 is that we see a clearer connection between Hebrew Isaiah's coming Netzer (Branch) being Meshikha so its no wonder Mattai connects the dots between Yeshua being from Nazareth which gives him the title "Netsraya", all as fulfillment of messianic prophecy in Mt 2:23.

Dean Dana Wrote:No ... Paul, I dont think this happened yet but its an amazing prophecy.

Hey Akh,

Check this out:

[Image: isaiah11.jpg]
Wow Akh thats an incredible picture.

So the first time might be understood as when the Assyrians came into the fold by the Apostle's teachings during the first few centuries AD and the second time might yet be future?

What thinkest thou?

....could be. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
Akhi Rob,

No ... If thats the case ... I dont think it's Targum Yonatan. Isaiah 49:3 does not have the word "Meshikha" in the targum I am looking at. It actually reads very close to the Hebrew. "You are my servant Israel"

Akhi Rob,

I just searched CAL's Targum Studies Module and Targum Jonathan for Isa 49:3 is exactly like my printed version so I think mine is Targum Yonatan after all.

Maybe it's for Isaiah 53. I don't have the Targums handy (will be getting the software this week along with bibleworks). Joseph Shulam had a presentation of Isaiah where we quoted Yonatan. I am drawing on secondary details :p
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