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There is another group who does this, and I'm not sure where they get the idea from that the Aramaic Scriptures supports new age philosophy. They don't.
They know it doesn't but they see a way to make money from it.
A useful trailmarker that something is not right -- when you're invited to buy a dvd for $59.95 to receive some guru's $ecret healing power! 'That's y$hua with a capital $, and he's yours for this limited time offer.' I like to imagine angels in heaven enjoying the outtakes of this reel world. We're all so vulnerable to accusation and comedy as we struggle to thrive.

Aside from that though, I think there are countless new age thinkers historically and today with abundant insight. I also think that among many reasons diversity on earth is so special, it helps answer our questions in terms of possibilities. Mystery or knowledge? Peace or war? Abundance or sacrifice? This spirit or that spirit? New age or old age? All defensible possibilities in between?

Matthew 19:28-29 ?Says to them Yahshua, ?Truly say I to you (plural), of you (plural) who have come after me, bEalma KhdTha (?in this new age/world?) when His son of man upon the throne of His glory sits, also you (plural) sit upon twelve thrones and will be judging the tribes of Israel. And all men who left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields because of my name, one hundredfold will receive and life dlEalm (?of to an age/world?) will inherit. And the many first they will be last, and the last first.??

The Aramaic Peshitta is an open book, and those who read know it is simply beautiful. Like a clean river or a majestic cedar tree open to diverse peoples, many will come to it for personal gain. Some of our actions will pollute and destruct, and others will protect and nurture. Within all of us, a balance exists between our productivity and destructiveness. So I?m holding this rock right now in my pitching hand, and I?m glaring down at my target (a sinner like me who drinks gasoline and eats money), and I step into my windup, and here comes the pitch? the rock lands on my foot, know them by their fruits.
Lamsa dabbled a little in the New Age area towards the end of his life. He had some connection with the Unity School of Christianity as does his prot?g?, Rocco Errico, who heads up the Noorha Foundation.
A poster on here named Otto Raabe frequently corrects misunderstandings about Dr. Lamsa, and this is one of them. He spent an evening with him a year or so before he died and Lamsa explained that he was a member of the Assyrian Church of the East and was partial towards the Anglican Church, as he was trained in one of their schools. He worked with anyone who would promote his writings, even if they were unorthodox. A pretty bad idea, if you ask me <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->
And yet some of his comments in his works on the New Testament has similarities to New Ageism. Also, many claim he was excommunicated from the Church of the East due to his alleged anti-Trinitarian views. Personally, I like Lamsa and find his works very stimulating and accurate. I have been in communication with a number of CoE officials over the years and they don't have much disagreement with Lamsa. The Syrian Orthodox Church, on the other hand, is a different story. What I just said is based on my interactions with both churches in Chicago, Detroit, and Flint in the early '90's while serving a church in Detroit.
I can't think of a whole lot, but I know I disagree with Dr. Lamsa on a lot of stuff. He was Trinitarian in the since that all members of the Church of the East are. They do not teach that God is manifest in three "Persons", rather three qnome. This word is untranslatable in English, but the best translations available as "substance" or "core substance". This word is also used to describe Jesus's two natures of deity and humanity. Paul Younan describes it as a distinction, but not enough of a distinction where the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit could be said to be different Persons. The Church of the East doesn't use the term "Person" in reference to God outside of the incarnation, as they think this would be calling God a human being (but I venture that you can be a "person" without being a "human person").

Here's some other translations I recommend studying:

The Original Aramaic New Testament in Plain English and The Aramaic-English Interlinear New Testament by Glenn David Bauscher

Aramaic-English Interlinear New Testament (3 volumes) by American Christian Press (or The Way International)

Aramaic Peshitta New Testament Translation, Aramaic Peshitta New Testament Translation: Messianic Version, and Aramaic Peshitta New Testament Vertical Interlinear (3 volumes) by Janet M. Magiera

The Syriac New Testament by James Murdock

A Literal Translation of the Four Gospels from the Peschito, or Canon of Holy Scripture in Use Among the Oriental Christians From the Earliest Times and The Apostolical Acts and Epistles, From the Peschito : Or Ancient Syriac to Which Are Added, the Remaining Epistles, and the Book of Revelation, After A Later Syrian Text by John Wesley Etheridge

Aramaic-English New Testament by Andrew Gabriel Roth

A Translation, in English Daily Used, of the Peshito-Syriac Text, and of the Received Greek Text, of Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, and 1 John and A Translation, in English Daily Used: of the Seventeen Letters Forming Part of the Peshito-Syriac Books by William Norton

The Aramaic Gospels and Acts and The Aramaic Gospels & Acts Companion by Joseph Pashka

Vic Alexander (Aramaic Scripture), A. Frances Werner (Ancient Roots Translinear Bible), James Scott Trimm (Hebraic-Roots Version, and Rocco Errico (The Message of Matthew) also have translations available. James Trimm makes use of both the Peshitta and the Old Syriac in the Gospels, as well as Shem-Tov's Hebrew translation of the Gospel of Matthew. It's also plagiarized from the Way International's interlinear.
There are many other translations out there as well. I really can't see purchasing any other works as The Way's Interlinear set doesn't appear that much different based on reviews on here and elsewhere. I want to get the CoE set because it will actually be an official CoE translation/work.

As far as Lamsa, I believe he was Nestorian, which is the general belief of the CoE. But I don't want to get into the whole "Theotokos" vs. "Christotokos" discussion now. In some of his commentaries, however, he doesn't quite come across as a Trinitarian and denies the existence of angels, demons, and Satan. He also claims Hell in Aramaic actually means "mental torment."
I still highly recommend checking it out. It's a wonderful translation. It's the only complete Peshitta interlinear in the traditional format too. I like using it and Janet Magiera's translation with Lamsa's since they're all essentially part of the same family. Without Dr. Lamsa, neither of these translations would have happened.

Yeah, he definitely had some weirdness going on.
Thirdwoe Wrote:Mr. Roth is a Netzari believer last time I knew, which are somewhat along the lines of the Messianic groups out there in their particular beliefs and practices, ...
Hello, just wanted to help bring a little clarity to part of this statement. Not trying to take up for or stand against Roth or anybody else for that matter.
While the Netzari believers may seemingly have many of the same believes as the Messianic movement they are two very separate belief systems.

The Messianic movement was brought about by several Christian denominations banning together with an out reach program to try and win Yehudim [commonly referred to as "Jews"] of whom believe in a Torah based belief system of YHWH over to Christianity's less of Torah belief system they claim was rot by The Anointed One and taught by Shaul [a.k.a.-Paul]. Thereby the Messianic movement is but only Yehudim that are won over to Christianity, and only seeming to be a Torah observant sect observing the Feast of YHWH, but in reality it isn't, as they teach that the Two Houses mentioned in the Scriptures consist of the Protestant Christians and the Messianic Christians living in harmony with one another, each practicing what is culturally appropriate for their own group all the while condoning the other's practices (even if the practices are of pagan origins). Yet the true Two Houses mentioned in the Scriptures are the Southern House of Yehudah and the Northern House of Ephraim, i.e - The Northern and Southern Tribes of YisraAil [Israel] which will re-join one another in the end times as One House undivided, not two house divide but getting along. The True Two Houses are to consist of both be Torah observing YisraAilites from among the twelve tribes and gentiles that graft into them. So the Messianic Movement, while on the outside seems to be walking in Torah on the outward side, is really of the less Torah observant based Christianity - simply with a kepi- and not really the faith once and for all handed down by the Torah based beliefs taught by Moshay [a.k.a.-Moses], as lived out by The Anointed One.

All the while the Netzari Movement are people trying to simply walk as Moshay taught and The Anointed One walked and taught, i.e.-Living a Torah based life and teaching against any form of religion that teaches less Torah (e.g.-Torahlessness).

So as Christianity and Netzari faiths are to very different systems of belief - so too is the Messianic faith from the Netzari trust. So yes while the Messianics seem to walk the same walk as the Netzari outwardly their talk/teachings are far from that of the Netzari, as a Netzari would never condone pagan practices inside or even out side the Assembly of YHWH.

Again I did not post any of this to put anyone group down, but rather purely for an informational purpose of the difference between the Messianics Faith and Netzari Trust, as while they may seem to be alike in outward practice they are by no means close to the same at heart.

As for Roth I would have to say that according to his footnotes he would definitely consider himself to be a Netzari (no doubt).
Yea, that's why I said it the way I said it. "somewhat along the lines of the Messianic groups out there in their particular beliefs and practices."

Texas, I'm sure there are other groups of believers in Messiah, who believe they are more right and more pure than the Netzari group consider themselves to be. You may not have found them yet, but, I'm sure they exist.

When The Harvest comes, and Alaha send's His Reapers to do the separating, we shall see who is who, and what is what, exactly, and what is not of Alaha will be burned up...until then, we are instructed to let the wheat and the tares, the sheep and the goats grow up together, and not try to pluck them up, or separate/divide them ourselves.

Shlama,
Chuck
Thirdwoe Wrote:Yea, that's why I said it the way I said it. "somewhat along the lines of the Messianic groups out there in their particular beliefs and practices."
Not to say that you where being miss leading on purpose, but the statement underlined above is not true as their beliefs as I stated out before are differnt. And yes the Torah practices by nature as I had pointed out are the only tings that are similar.

Thirdwoe Wrote:Texas, I'm sure there are other groups of believers in Messiah, who believe they are more right and more pure than the Netzari group consider themselves to be. You may not have found them yet, but, I'm sure they exist.
I haven being raise as and growing up in the First Baptist church know plenty well of "THE ONLY RIGHT GROUP!". And as put yes there are many groups that believe that they know more of the right way than that of others or they would do as the others instead of differently. But yes a wise person will understand that they do not know it all.

Thirdwoe Wrote:When The Harvest comes, and Alaha send's His Reapers to do the separating, we shall see who is who, and what is what, exactly, and what is not of Alaha will be burned up..
You are right on this as far as YHWH and His Anointed One Yehoshua with the help of the Messengers will separate the wheat from the tears. That is not our business, but we are to through out from among us those that claim to be a believer and yet walk in sin after first trying to win them over in private and then again within the presence of two or three witnesses if you know what I mean.

Thirdwoe Wrote:...until then, we are instructed to let the wheat and the tares, the sheep and the goats grow up together, and not try to pluck them up, or separate/divide them ourselves.
As true as this is it is no excuse to preach a false brotherly love in which condones what is clearly a false hood. Now as you should have noted I did not say one side or the other was right and that the one side should therefor repent, so I did not and was not trying to proselytize any one here, just trying to help bring clarifying knowledge to a very section within this thread. As YHWH said my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge I was only trying to help clarify what might have other wise been taken as one is so very close to the other. As I pointed out the Messianic movement is closer to Christianity in faith while miles apart from the Netzari Trust beliefs.

Again I am not trying to shame, convert, proselytize, or anything else other than to bring knowledge in this matter so that anyone can make up there own minds as to witch belief system they would want to follow. Now do not get me wrong I do and will at times preach but here I only was sharing knowledge so that others can gain understanding on this one thing. And if I have condemned or condoned either side here in please be more specific as I am not aware I did so. But I will take this moment to say that I personally do not think that Yehoshua came to cleanse the sin for us, but rather to cleanse us from sin (and while not pointing out any or of whom might be of a group doing so, that was to include pagan practices -just saying).


Shlama,
will

P.S. - Chuck, some food for thought. When others point out that the Netzari where considered to be heretics do you bring to their attention that they should not share such things being it might could in some shape or fashion end up separating the wheat from the tears? Or do you say from within "yep"? Just wondering if you only police people with opinions different than your's, or if you also police people that believe as you do when they pass knowledge on to others in a public forum that other may not agree with.
Quote:P.S. - Chuck, some food for thought. When others point out that the Netzari where considered to be heretics do you bring to their attention that they should not share such things being it might could in some shape or fashion end up separating the wheat from the tears? Or do you say from within "yep"? Just wondering if you only police people with opinions different than your's, or if you also police people that believe as you do when they pass knowledge on to others in a public forum that other may not agree with.

I don't rely on my own opinions, Will...they aren't reliable! I look to The Holy Scriptures, and to The Apostolic Tradition, which was passed down from the beginning to all the Churches. There were factions from the very start, even before the Gentiles came into the fold...and there will be until Messiah returns to clean up the mess people make. All the spots will be removed, and all the wrinkles will be ironed out before it's all said and done.

What did these ones say were heretical that the Netzari teach? Do you have a list of all the Netzari doctrines? If so, I'd like to look them over. I consider Mr. Andrew Roth to be my brother in Messiah, though we might not agree on everything or interpret everything the same way. He and I do agree though, that The Church of the East is a good place to be Baptized in, and he has preceded me in that activity...not sure if you knew that.

But, if I should read or hear something I feel like commenting on, I usually do, unless I sense the Holy Spirit specifically telling me not to. I'll say this...I'm real tired of all the divisions among us. Some say The Christians aren't doing it or believing it all right, and that The Messianics aren't doing it or believing it right, or that The Netzaris aren't doing it or believing it right.... I say, we all have some Wood, Hay, and Stubble to be burned up...both individually and corporately, and we all have some Gold, Silver, and Precious Gems which will be purified in the fire to come.

I don't love my Brothers and Sisters in Messiah, because they might see everything the same way as I might see it, I love them because I have the love of Messiah in me, period...and am compelled to love them, even if they might despise or reject me for not believing and practicing all of their particular group's tenants. I'm not thinking you do...and I hope you don't.

Here is a passage in Mark and Luke, which I always think of regarding these things.

Mark 9: 38-40
"Yohannan said to him, "Rabbi, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him because he did not go out with us." Yeshua said to them, "Do not forbid him, for there is no man who does a powerful work in my name and can soon speak badly about me. Whoever therefore is not against you is for you."

Luke 9:49-50
"And Yohannan answered and said, "Our Master, we saw a man who cast out a demon in your name and we forbade him, for he does not come after you with us." Yeshua said to them, "You shall not forbid, for whoever is not against you is for you."


Shlama,
Chuck

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Thirdwoe Wrote:What did these ones say were heretical that the Netzari teach? Do you have a list of all the Netzari doctrines? If so, I'd like to look them over.

I will get back later with the information, as of right now I am in the process of swapping out computers(plural) and have moved all my files out of three computers into one external hard drive (and things are in an order of disarray). I should be getting at least one(of 3) of the new computers hopefully some time next week. And then I will put the file back in and be able to shift through them to find the stuff. So please be patient with me here.

Thirdwoe Wrote:I consider Mr. Andrew Roth to be my brother in Messiah, though we might not agree on everything or interpret everything the same way. He and I do agree though, that The Church of the East is a good place to be Baptized in, and he has preceded me in that activity...not sure if you knew that.
No I did not know either Roth or yourself had been baptized in the COE. I personally was Immersed in a horse trough in a field and raise to live a new life. I think almost anywhere is as good as any to get started on a new life, awmayn[Strong's # H543].

Thirdwoe Wrote:But, if I should read or hear something I feel like commenting on, I usually do, unless I sense the Holy Spirit specifically telling me not to. I'll say this...I'm real tired of all the divisions among us. Some say The Christians aren't doing it or believing it all right, and that The Messianics aren't doing it or believing it right, or that The Netzaris aren't doing it or believing it right.... I say, we all have some Wood, Hay, and Stubble to be burned up...both individually and corporately, and we all have some Gold, Silver, and Precious Gems which will be purified in the fire to come.
Actually the Apostles (especially Shaul) went around telling all kinds of groups/sects of believers that they where not doing it right either and that they should repent. Also that if another came along and taught differently than they did not to listen to them. So yes while it is not good to condone what is not right about others you are right in that we should try and find common ground as did Shaul:
Act 17:16 Now while Shaul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.
Act 17:17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Yehudim, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.

Shaul seemed to take the time to depute every one he came in contact with over any and all Idolatrous practices as it did not set well with the Spirit that lead him.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but Elohim is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
1Co 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

Now having just missed what Shaul said about fleeing from Idolatry, here is one of Shaul's teachings that many of whom practice Idolatry on a regular basis have twisted time and time again to suite their form of worship:
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith The Anointed One hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Shaul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, The Anointed One shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole Torah.
Gal 5:4 The Anointed One is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the Torah; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by trust.
Gal 5:6 For in Yehoshua The Anointed One neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but trust which worketh by love.

OK if we take this portion out of context one might think that the Idolatry mention in Torah is no longer off limits to believers as they are no longer under or abligated to follow Torah, but what what does Shaul say next in conjunction to the first portion of this teaching:
Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Gal 5:10 I have confidence in you through the Adon, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

Shaul is exhorting the believers to stay on track and stop following teachers that would lead them astray.

Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For all the Torah is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the Torah.

"Yep" they would say see here we that walk in the Spirit are not under/obligated to the Torah. But wait just what is walking in the Spirit or even more so important to point out here is what is what Shaul calls, walking in the flesh which he explains is totally contrary to walking in the Spirit.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of Elohim. (see also: Revelation 22: 14-15)

Hold your horses did he just say that not only is Idolatry in the same boat/ship/realm as many other unattested wicked deeds? I would have to think so! So is it really no longer a sin to practice Idolatry just because those who walk in the Spirit are no longer under Torah? How any one could teach that those of whom practice pagan rituals will be in the Kingdom of Elohim from this chapter is beyond me? And just what then does walking in the Spirit entail (as we just saw what it does not).

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, trust,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no Torah.

And what a surprise that the Torah is not against such as the a fore mentioned as it was all along trying to teach us just such, was it not. So no Torah is not against such as such is the Torah's teachings. But Walking in the Spirit does not and can not entail Idolatry as that is contrary to the Spirit's very nature. So -

Gal 5:24 And they that are The Anointed One's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

i.e. - not in the flesh of Idolatry!

Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

And here is where those of whom that prefer to practice Idolatry try and use this last verse as a brow- beater to tell people that it is a sin to teach against their Idolatrous ways. As I mentioned about the Two Houses as long as they are split apart there will be dissension between brethren (i.e. - the 12 tribes and there grafted-in gentile converts), and only when they become one in Torah will there be unity. So I to am not only weary at times of the lack of unity among believers, but I long for the day that The Anointed One will bring us back together in one accord. And hopefully this is what we are doing here, trying to iron out our differences by riding ourselves of sin until we all walk no longer in any flesh that divides, yet in the Spirit of which we will have no differences to be had. See one can not rid the world of difference simply by accepting the others way but every one must repent of their sins and walk in the Spirit which brings unity - which by the way will never lead anyone to commit the sins of pagan Idolatresses.


Thirdwoe Wrote:I don't love my Brothers and Sisters in Messiah, because they might see everything the same way as I might see it, I love them because I have the love of Messiah in me, period...and am compelled to love them, even if they might despise or reject me for not believing and practicing all of their particular group's tenants. I'm not thinking you do...and I hope you don't.
Your right in that I do not love only those that love me because I think as they do, but that I love every one, including my enemies as The Anointed One first loved me (that is to say He loved me when I was not on His side). I love every person upon this earth as lead by the Spirit and I condemn no one as that is not in my job description, but I do hate sin as my Father in Heaven hates sin, and as a follower of The Anointed One I when appropriate in a loving manner point it out if and when lead. Here is not particularly one of those times nor places so I have yet to point anything in particular out calling it a sin such as Idolatry nor have I said this group or the other is the ones doing it as mention I do not feel lead here to do so. But I did feel lead to share information pertaining to the differences between the Messianic movement and the Netzari for clarity sake and clarity sake along. And I also seemed to feel a need to point out again for the sake of clarity that brotherly love can not by any means walk in much less condone Idolatry, coming in nor going out, as the only Spirit which can lead one to love would never lead anyone to do so. And yes there are a lot of trivial things that we should over look among the brethren for Unity sake, but Idolatrous practices are not one of such to be over looked



Thirdwoe Wrote:Here is a passage in Mark and Luke, which I always think of regarding these things.

Mark 9: 38-40
"Yohannan said to him, "Rabbi, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him because he did not go out with us." Yeshua said to them, "Do not forbid him, for there is no man who does a powerful work in my name and can soon speak badly about me. Whoever therefore is not against you is for you."

Luke 9:49-50
"And Yohannan answered and said, "Our Master, we saw a man who cast out a demon in your name and we forbade him, for he does not come after you with us." Yeshua said to them, "You shall not forbid, for whoever is not against you is for you."

1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.


Shlama,
will
mcarmichael Wrote:
Quote:No I did not know either Roth or yourself had been baptized in the COE. I personally was Immersed in a horse trough in a field and raise to live a new life. I think almost anywhere is as good as any to get started on a new life, awmayn[Strong's # H543].

I bet you've been aching to mention that. I would have been, that's rugged. <!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: -->
Hey mcarmichael, actually no, but being the subject came up I thought I'd throw it in there. I will have to say I was not trying to brag at all, just seemed appropriate to mention that no time is like unto the present to get off on the right path. I happened to be around some people that I came to agree with as to the Scriptures and wanted to be Immersed into the foe, and that is the only water source big enough for me to be dunked wholly into/under at the time, so we made due. right after I came up out of the water they sang a song and then we hugged and then went back to the daily grind. I will admit that when I had came up from the water the sun light and even the air felt different than before I went under. Yet that sensation only seemed to last a couple of minutes though, as we got back to our daily business. All in all, definitely a day I will remember.

Afterwards some people tried to tell me that I should get re-Immersed being they did not think it was properly done, yet I told them if they only knew how from the moment I was raised I felt so a knew that I could not see how doing it again could make things any better. I also fell like it really could not have been done any better personally. HalleluYah awmayn!
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