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In brief...

The Passover is also considered a Sabbath (sometimes a High Sabbath).

The preparation day referred to is for the Passover (Jesus was crucified as foretold as the Passover). He had to die at the appointed time for the sacrifice to fulfill the prophecy (plus a bunch of other details like no broken bones, etc...).

Joseph took his body after his death and entombed it. The women watched this and then after observing the passover and the weekly Sabbath went to his tomb with their preparations which could not be done prior to this (by the Law). When they came after the setting of the sun on the weekly Sabbath and before the sun rose Sunday morning he had already risen...

The death and burial would have taken place by Wednesday evening to filfill the prophecy of the Passover during that time.

Wed Night/Thurs Day = 1 Night and Day
Thurs Night/Fri Day = 1 Night and Day
Fri Night/ Sat Day (the weekly Sabbath)= 1 Night and Day
Sat Night to Early Sunday Morning = Jesus's Ressurection

That's the quick of it... I can fill in the schalarly details and such some other time if need be.
Hi, thank you for posting this question.

Following your argument about any part of a 24 h period would be reconed as one day, but then substiting the start of the day with the morning, but using the sunset as the start of a new day gives you the needed 3 parts of days to solve the text. I think it is in luke where it says "when the sun was down, and the sabbath was over" - then the people came to Jesus for healing, ... but more significant, there is a prophecy about the death and resurrection in Dan.9!

shalom
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In Yashua, in is precisely the fact that our Mari Yasua used the allegorical sign of the Prophet Jonah as Jonah's being within the belly of the whale was a mystical-vision which makes the 3 days and nights not subject to our concept of 3 actual full days and 3 actual full nights.Our Lord made this clear in His referancing the only sign to be given was the sign of the Prophet Jonah and how this matches our Mari's 3 days and nights being within the tomb before His glorious resurrection.He was using Jonah and his being in the belly of the whale for 3 days and nights as a powerful spiritual allegory.Our Mari had also pointed out that Ninevah repented at the preaching of Jonah and that the towns our Mari taught in who didnt accept Him would suffer a much worse fate as He is infinitely greater than Jonah yet the Ninevites repented at the teaching of Jonah.3 days and nights doesnt have to literally mean this exact amount of time and could and does in this context as 3 days and 3 nights mean from Friday at the time our Lord;s human nature died on the cross to Sunday morning at His glorious ressurection.As the day starts at Ramsho-sunset,we have the Friday before his death on the cross,Saturday,the Sabbath starting at sunset,then Sunday morning being the 3rd day as it began officially at sundown on Saturday.Maryah is beyond time and created time for mankind and creation to measure the cange from 1 moment to the next and for the observances of days,months years and seasons.What truely matters is that the Mseekha has risen after the 3 days and has raised us all who know and believe in Him as Alaha the miltha and only begotten Son of the Father,Alaha incarnate for our redemption.The scriptures are full of allegories and comparisons which is exactly the context our Mari intended when referring to the sign of the prophet Jonah.In Yashua,D.Michael
Can we transfer this thread out of here. It basically SPAM in this section.
The subject of this sub forum is "Contradictions in the Greek New Testament cleared up by the Peshitta. "

Ben Masada is here (as he does on other boards) spamming.
Ben can I politely ask you to post such threads somewhere else. Thanks
Good post Deacon Michael,

I will fish out something similar an Orthodox brother alluded to on the Christian forums.
Revelation uses apocalyptic language and symbols to convey its message to the hearer, but differs from other apocalyptic writings in its intent. The Old Testament book of Daniel for example, is apocalyptic but functions in a different way. Daniel?s message is hidden away and pertains to future events which are to come, but Revelation is put in the form of a letter to the Church and pertains to the current coming of the Lord, which is the present. The author of Revelation combines the apocalyptic language found in books like Daniel and the epistle form used by Paul when writing to the various churches. In this way, Revelation is very much a letter that is meant to be heard now and applied now by the hearer. We must always hear Scripture in the present because we are always inevitably in Scripture. We are not post-Scripture, or pre-Scripture, but in it. The immediate concern of the writer is that the new Christians are being tested and some are falling away. They are being persecuted for their faith by the Romans and they know that if they stand firm in their witness, there is a good chance that they will be killed, perhaps even tortured in heinous ways. In order to stand firm in their witness, through torture and even unto death, Revelation presents the alternatives for the believers and exhorts them to pick the reward that is in heaven and not the easy way out because the easy way out leads to even more pain and suffering in the end. The wrath of God is brought to bear as the long term alternative to those who fall away, those who fail the test. For those who hold fast to their witness, they will be judged and justly rewarded in the Kingdom and for those who are martyred for their faith, an even greater reward is offered in that they are already judged. This is similar to being offered to take the final exam early. You take it and pass then you are done. The exam results won?t be announced until everyone else has completed the exam, but you have already passed. So too, the author of Revelation exhorts the Christians to take the exam of martyrdom if it is offered, because if you pass, then that?s it, you are assured in the Kingdom of Heaven. You will still have to wait for the others to enter, but you are assured because you have already passed the test by giving your life for Christ, who is the prototype to be followed. Christ is of course prototypical martyr. His obedience unto death is the example for those who are His witnesses to follow and if they do then they will rule with Him in His Kingdom. This is the Gospel of the cross found almost identically in the three synoptic Gospels: Mat 16:25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
This is fairly straightforward, but where many people run aground is in the plentiful symbolic language used to convey the message, especially the symbolism surrounding numbers in Revelation. The letter is divided into three parts, each with seven repetitions. The first thing that must be understood is that the three parts do not represent different events that are sequenced in a serial manner chronologically. The repetition is a literary device used to provide emphasis to the same message. It is repeated three times to emphasis its assuredness. The first cycle of seven is an introduction to the message and is conveyed using the seven seals. It is fairly short as an introduction, but that is expected. The seventh seal then is used to usher in the next series of seven and this device is repeated in the following series of seven as well because we must always be ready in watchful expectation of the Lord?s coming. The second iteration uses the image of seven trumpets and is very long compared to the first cycle. This very long second part is common in Scripture. Luke for example, is roughly divided into three parts which begin with Jesus? prediction of His own death. The first is short, the second is very long, and then by the third, you are already in Jerusalem. This type of communication is engrained in our daily lives even today. When it?s time for my kids to brush their teeth, I tell them once, and of course they ignore me, I tell them again in a drawn out way to get them moving the right direction, and finally, when the third reminder comes it?s time for the proverbial stick. One, twooooo, three. The author of Revelation uses this same method by conveying his message three times, the second of which is very long and drawn out. It is the meat of the message. Then when you come to the third and last iteration, that of the seven bowls of wrath, it?s essentially over and the narrative moves very quickly to the end which is always the coming of the Lord and judgment. The message is the same throughout the three iterations, and is meant to be emphasized by the repetition. The second iteration does not represent a new message or even a new event in terms of chronology. It is a repetition of essentially the same message three times.
The number three also serves another purpose within the text. Throughout Scripture three is used as a number that represents completeness. In many ancient languages and even some today, there isn?t simply singular and plural. Instead, there is singular, dual, which is two, and plural, which is three or more. This comes from the idea that two cannot be a plurality because it inevitably contradicts itself. If one is the thesis, then two is the antithesis, and a third is needed to resolve the conflict. So in this way three represents assuredness or ?indeedness?. If something is three, then it is true, without a doubt. This doesn?t mean that if it is four, then it is truer. There is no empirical numeric value. When the Seraphim sing ?Holy, Holy, Holy is our God? it means that He is indeed Holy. When Christ is said to have been dead for three days, it means that He was indeed dead. When Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights, it means that he was indeed in the belly of the fish. Three in these cases relates to the assuredness of the action not to the counting of days.
There are several other numbers that appear frequently in Scripture and especially in Revelation. Four is often used to represent a complete whole, as in the whole class or the whole assembly. It is also used to refer to the whole world or earth, as in the four corners of the earth, taken from the four cardinal directions on a compass. Four can also be used in reference to a house or building with its four walls that enclose it. Five generally represents power, and in Scripture specifically God?s power given in His Law, which is written in the five scrolls of the Pentateuch. The image of the hand of power or the hand of God, with five fingers comes to mind. Five can also be used as half of ten in the sense that one is in the middle of something that when complete will represent a totality of person or individuals. Ten is very similar to four, but represents the whole taken as individuals. Ten is often multiplied by other numbers for emphasis or by itself to give scale. For example, every person in a village might be represented by 1000, but every person in a large city might be 10,000 because a city is larger than a village, but in both cases the meaning is ?everybody? regardless of the actual number who dwell there. Twelve is similar in that it generally represents the totality of God?s people, as in the twelve tribes of Israel, but now when applied to the Christian church refers to the new Israel which doesn?t have tribes per se, but is still represented by twelve. Many times a number will be doubled to indicate agreement like having two witnesses that agree in their testimony, so 24 judges indicates an agreement of 12. Finally, seven and six need to be understood especially for the message of Revelation. Seven is the number that represents God and His activity in the world. If it?s seven, then it?s of God, and it represents the fullness of His divinity. If there is something that pretends to be God, to masquerade as divine, then it tries to be seven, but it doesn?t quite get there, so it is called six. This is the meaning behind the infamous number of the beast, 666. This is simply six repeated three times, so it is assuredly only six and not seven. It is assuredly not divine, but something less. It is antichrist because it tries to be Christ but isn?t. It tries to take the place of Christ in the hearts and minds of the people, and they may even be tricked into thinking that it is Christ, but it assuredly is not.
Combinations of numbers are also used to convey a combination of meanings. The infamous 144,000 is often completely misunderstood by people who want to assign a numeric value to the text and incorrectly deduce that the total number of souls that will be saved is fixed at that specific value. Nothing could be further from the truth. 144,000 is simply twelve, which as described above represents the totality of God?s people, squared for emphasis and then multiplied by 1000 to show that it is a very large number of people. This number should underscore that all of God?s people will be saved, not that someone might left out if they are number 144,001.
You only read half of the forum's description. Please reread it before you consider posting here again.
Aaron S Wrote:You only read half of the forum's description. Please reread it before you consider posting here again.

Thanks Aaron!
Ben Masada Wrote:Shalom Judge, what is the hostility about? I am breaking no law. The sub forum is about "Contradictions in the Greek NT, as you remind us about it yourself. And this discussion of mine is about a classical contradiction in the Greek NT. Do you think it is fair to get rid of a thread or a poster because you find yourself unable to solve the problem?

I dont care if i can solve the problem. Im not a christian, so it doesn't matter to me if its a contradiction or not.


Quote: I know that sometimes pride speaks louder than commonsense, but I thought you were bigger than that. If you judge yourself unable to solve an issue, instead of turning against the poster why don't you ignore it and leave it to others who feel more secure to pick it up and give it a try? To accuse me of spamming is not too fair when I am sure you know that I am telling the truth. So, calm down and be in peace with yourself and others. Golden Rule, remember?
Ben

It seemed like SPAM to me. I do appreciate this forum and find the whole topic quite fascinating for various reasons, and I am, maybe after posting here for quite some time alittle protective.
I'd like to see this forum as a place where issues pertaining to the peshitta can be looked at, and catalogued too. I just didnt see where your post fitted in this section.
Look for example, at the other topics in this sub forum, they deal with the relationship between the greek texts, the peshitta and contradictions which may arise due to translational issues.
I have nothing personally against you so I do apologise if you took offence.