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The man who wishes to attain human perfection should study Logic first, next Mathematics, then Physics, and lastly Metaphysics. (Maimonides, Guide to the Perplexed)

I have chosen this route for my cirriculum in college. I am now studying Logic extensively.

I propose that we study Logic together. I will teach you what I know to reaffirm what I know. It'd be a win-win.

Who objects?
Shlama Bar Khela,

No objections, just a logical question. Who has ever attained human perfection by this or any other method, and what does Physics have to do with it ? <!-- s:dontgetit: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/dontgetit.gif" alt=":dontgetit:" title="Dont Get It" /><!-- s:dontgetit: -->

Does perfection come by mental exercises or by some other way ?

Is Metaphysics the least or the most important subject in the list (which includes Theology and spiritual mysticism) ?

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Dave B
Who has ever attained human perfection by this or any other method, and what does Physics have to do with it ?

"...You, however, know how all these subjects are connected together; for there is nothing else in existence but God and His works, the latter including all existing things besides Him: we can only obtain a knowledge of I-Em through His works; His works give evidence of His existence, and show what must be assumed concerning Him, that is to say, what must be attributed to Him either affirmatively or negatively. It is thus necessary to examine all things according to their essence, to infer from every species such true and well established propositions as may assist us in the solution of metaphysical problems. Again, many propositions based on the nature of numbers and the properties of geometrical figures, are useful in examining things which must be negatived in reference to God, and these negations will lead us to further inferences. You will certainly not doubt the necessity of studying astronomy and physics, if you are desirous of comprehending the relation between the world and Providence as it is in reality, and not according to imagination. There are also many subjects of speculation, which, though not preparing the way for metaphysics, help to train the reasoning power, enabling it to understand the nature of a proof, and to test truth by characteristics essential to it. They remove the confusion arising in the minds of most thinkers, who confound accidental with essential properties, and likewise the wrong opinions resulting therefrom. We may add, that although they do not form the basis for metaphysical research, they assist in forming a correct notion of these things, and are certainly useful in many other things connected with that discipline. Consequently he who wishes to attain to human perfection, must therefore first study Logic, next the various branches of Mathematics in their proper order, then Physics, and lastly Metaphysics (Guide for the Pexplexed Book 1:XXXIV)

How inspiring!

Does perfection come by mental exercises or by some other way ?

I believe human perfection, that is to say, reaching the heights of one's spiritual and mental growth involves two things: Application of the written Book of God and studying from the "Unwritten Book of God" which is Creation. Everything, every detail from the atom, the smallest unit of matter, to the galaxies harboring billions of stars, from the moon, an inseparable adjunct of the world, to the solar system, all work in a perfect harmony. Why is this?

Is Metaphysics the least or the most important subject in the list (which includes Theology and spiritual mysticism) ?

I am no longer concerned with metaphysics. It seems to only involve speculation on allegories that we cannot comprehend since they are beyond our personal experience. Who am I to expound on the topic of angelology without encountering an angel? It is better to stay with what was revealed about them in the Book and nothing else.

I love this part:

"....I will begin the subject of this chapter with a simile. A king is in his palace, and all his subjects are partly in the country, and partly abroad. Of the former, some have their backs turned towards the king's palace, and their faces in another direction; and some are desirous and zealous to go to the palace, seeking" to inquire in his temple," and to minister before him, but have not yet seen even the face of the wall of the house. Of those that desire to go to the palace, some reach it, and go round about in search of the entrance gate; others have passed through the gate, and walk about in the ante-chamber; and others have succeeded in entering into the inner part of the palace, and being in the same room with the king in the royal palace. But even the latter do not immediately on entering the palace see the king, or speak to him; for, after having entered the inner part of the palace, another effort is required before they can stand before the king-at a distance, or close by -- hear his words, or speak to him.....

.....Those who are in the country, but have their backs turned towards the king's palace, are those who possess religion, belief, and thought, but happen to hold false doctrines, which they either adopted in consequence of great mistakes made in their own speculations, or received from others who misled them. Because of these doctrines they recede more and more from the royal palace the more they seem to proceed. These are worse than the first class, and under certain circumstances it may become necessary to day them, and to extirpate their doctrines, in order that others should not be misled.

Those who desire to arrive at the palace, and to enter it, but have never yet seen it, are the mass of religious people: the multitude that observe the divine commandments, but are ignorant. Those who arrive at the palace, but go round about it, are those who devote themselves exclusively to the study of the practical law: they believe traditionally in true principles of faith, and learn the practical worship of God, but are not trained in philosophical treatment of the principles of the Law, and do not endeavour to establish the truth of their faith by proof. Those who undertake to investigate the principles of religion, have come into the ante-chamber: and there is no doubt that these can also be divided into different grades. But those who have succeeded in finding a proof for everything that can be proved, who have a true knowledge of God, so far as a true knowledge can be attained, and are near the truth, wherever an approach to the truth is possible, they have reached the goal, and are in the palace in which the king lives.

My son, so long as you are engaged in studying the Mathematical Sciences and Logic, you belong to those who go round about the palace in search of the gate. Thus our Sages figuratively use the phrase:" Ben-zoma is still outside." When you understand Physics, you have entered the hall; and when, after completing the study of Natural Philosophy, you master Metaphysics, you have entered the innermost court, and are with the king in the same palace. You have attained the degree of the wise men, who include men of different grades of perfection. There are some who direct all their mind toward the attainment of perfection in Metaphysics, devote themselves entirely to God, exclude from their thought every other thing, and employ all their intellectual faculties in the study of the Universe, in order to derive therefrom a proof for the existence of God, and to learn in every possible way how God rules all things; they form the class of those who have entered the palace, namely, the class of prophets....(Guide for the Perplexed LI)
bar_khela Wrote:I propose that we study Logic together. I will teach you what I know to reaffirm what I know. It'd be a win-win.

Who objects?

No real personal objection. But I would site the sticky rules,

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The focus of the Peshitta.org Forum is to demonstrate the primacy of the Aramaic New Testament. Theological discussions/arguments are not welcome here. If you have a question about the rapture, the antichrist, the Sabbath, why the Church of the East doesn't do this or why the Roman Catholic Church does that (or any other unrelated topic), then your question is best answered on the thousands of forums that are dedicated to theological debates. This is not one of them. That is a waste of our bandwidth, time and resources
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Their are threads that aren't exactly about the Peshitta. But they cover various peripheral issues. Like middle east culture, religion, history, and current events. If you post a thread that has nothing to with the Peshitta, or anything relevant to Semitic culture or studies it probably would be considered "a waste of bandwidth" that would be better put on another web board.
Shlama Akhi Addai,

I'm going to show you guys how quickly things can go down the drain without the forum rules. I've created an "Open Forum" at the very top of the list.

Watch and learn the value of the system we have here.
Perhaps you thought I would be the "teacher" by "stirring up trouble" at the new forum. I am changed <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin --> All I want now is Peshitta scholarship.
Shlama Akhi Paul,

Logic is the science of evaluating arguments. It has been used and developed by doctors of all three Abrahamic religions for centuries. It is necessary to study Logic in order to gain a feeling of discernment between a sound argument and an unsound argument. Many times, these two types of arguments seem very much alike to the untrained mind (I'm getting there slowly).

Yes, I know the forum rules. But I do not think this study will violate them no more than the subject of Qnoma. Maybe this science will help the forum see more clearly through the age-old arguments of the Greek primacists and be able to produce even better proofs.

Nevertheless, all that we believe must be tested.

Yes, I do promise, dear readers, not to mention theology. Logic only.

No fingers crossed. Really.

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Hi Akhay Chris and Bar-Khela,

The message wasn't directed at any of you in particular. Lately, I've been getting requests to "loosen" the grip of the rules a little bit....so I'm giving certain unnamed people their wish - so you can all see why the rules are the way they are.

Akhi Chris - if I were still upset at you, I wouldn't have allowed you back to begin with. I believe I mentioned that earlier.

Nor would I have your article hosted on my atour.com server.....which, for your information, sits right next to the peshitta.org server in my home office. I'm staring at both servers right now.

If anyone wants to mis-behave, by all means go to the new open forum. Argue away. Use any language you want. Consider it a locker room.
Hi Akhi Paul, wow I had no idea. Thanks for not telling them to take it off!

And contrary to popular belief... Your rules are good. When this was a scholarly forum, we had the many proofs that fill the book.

I have got to stop using "Akhi" for everything...
byrnesey Wrote:as I want to be your Akhi again.

lol you know I've been meaning to ask you guys what the exact meaning of that term is.


I kind of delayed because I sort of like to figure these things out for myself, so as uh.. to not seem too terribly ignorant.


It seems to be used like: Mr. /master, guy, friend, fellow, hombre the Japanese "San" (honorable) etc. but haven't figured out an exact equivalent. Nor does it seem to be listed in any web site lexicon that I've seen.


So I am forced to ask for your own "Akhi" defintion.
Hi Akhi Addai,

Akha - "Brother"
Akhi (ah-khee) - "MY brother"
Akhay - "MY brethren"
Akhan - "Our Brother"
Akhayn - "Our Brethren"

etcetera....
hi bar_khela

you wrote:
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The man who wishes to attain human perfection should study Logic first, next Mathematics, then Physics, and lastly Metaphysics. (Maimonides, Guide to the Perplexed)
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I beg to differ. Only God is perfection... humans can strive for it but never attain it. Actually imperfection is part of our encoding... from errors in genetic replication to allow the mutations and changes that allowed life to evolve... to mistakes in the human psyche and memory well know to the field of psychology.. we will never be perfect.

p.s. I don't think you need to explictly state a new term of metaphysics, which means to reach beyond physis, hence nature, as we perceive it, and to discover the "true nature" of things, their ultimate essence and the reason for being... for physics especially fields like quantum mechanics, relativity and the new fields of string theory and unified field theory etc.. are actually reaching beyond "classical" physics to find the true nature beyond what we perceive... as for the reason for being, no science will ever give you that answer... religions can try.. but ultimately reason is a human invention as a result of the evolution of our intelligence so we can arbitrarily assign whatever reason each of us needs to get us through the day or life for that matter.

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Shlama Se7en,

Quote:Reason is a human invention as a result of the evolution of our intelligence so we can arbitrarily assign whatever reason each of us needs to get us through the day or life for that matter.


Why should anyone believe your reasonings ? Why and how could we trust the product of evolution- a process of random molecular events which supposedly produced a human brain. How could we ever trust any conclusion any of us might reach if all is a product of chance ?
Do not say that God is behind it all. Evolutionists cannot have it both ways. Evolutionary theory is driven by an anti-God sentiment and spirit. Its premise is that God is unnecessary to explain the universe.It also ,of course, negates taking The Bible's history of creation literally and thereby discounts it as a serious witness to the origins of any species of plant, animal, humankind or thing.

All of that is done without a scintilla of evidence that hydrogen gas turns itself into stars, planets, oceans, land, tomatoes , trees , mountains and humans.

Biological evolution , simply put (which evolutionists are loathe to do), is that hydrogen gas evolved into a planet with oceans which somehow developed amino acids, which somehow, after billions of years, combined to produce a living cell of pond scum; that pond scum reproduced and multiplied and eventually evolved and improved itself into fish,frogs,crocodiles,dinosuars,horses,chimpanzees,... and Jesus Christ Himself.

One solitary scum.

And this has been Christened as "SCIENCE".
It is one of the most earnest religions I know. Its adherents exercize more faith in its tenets than most Christians do in the tenets of Jesus.
Such faith is obviously blind; it is a desperate attempt to dethrone God and usurp Him with a cloud of gas, the father of all, now worshipped as "Science".
Talk about hot air !

Of course, Science textbooks change every year. Compare a Science textbook from 1900 to one printed this year, then compare one from 1800, and tell me that in the year 2500, we will still read and hold the same theories proposed today. The one thing science documents is constant change in science.

Nothing wrong with that; but lets not confuse science with "The Truth". He whose name is "The Truth" does not change, neither does His word. The book of Genesis today is the same as the book Jesus quoted 2000 years ago :

Mr 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.Mr 10:6 (BYZ) apo de archv ktisewv arsen kai yhlu epoihsen autouv o yeov
Mr 10:6 (MUR) But, from the beginning, God made them a male and a female.
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Mt. 19:4 (AV) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
4 (BYZ) o de apokriyeiv eipen autoiv ouk anegnwte oti o poihsav ap archv arsen kai yhlu epoihsen autouv
4 (MUR) And he answered and said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made them at the beginning, made them a male and a female?
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Mt 19:5 (AV) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
5 (BYZ) kai eipen eneken toutou kataleiqei anyrwpov ton patera autou kai thn mhtera kai proskollhyhsetai th gunaiki autou kai esontai oi duo eiv sarka mian
5 (MUR) And he said: For this reason, a man shall leave his father and his mother, and adhere to his wife; and they two shall be one flesh.
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We have Genesis Dead Sea scrolls 2000 years old. They read the same as what Jesus read, according to the NT Aramaic and Greek texts of Matthew and Mark quoted above.

First of all, Jesus accepted the accuracy of Genesis and quoted it as authoritative truth about the creation of man.
Secondly, Jesus said "God made them male and female from the beginning", meaning man was created at the beginning of creation.

"The beginning" refers to the six days of creation, as related in Genesis. Whether the first or the sixth day (man created on the 6th), both are referred to as "the beginning". How could that be, if creation was already 14 billion years old when man was created, as evolution teaches ?
If "the beginning" had more than one general sense than that used in Genesis 1:1 , Jesus would have elucidated it. He assumes the existence of man "from the beginning" elsewhere as well :
Mt 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mr 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.


Jesus' quotes from Genesis here carry more weight for me than all the Evolution textbooks ever written and Darwin's Origin of Species combined.

How about you ?


Shlama,

Dave
hi dave,

Quote:Why should anyone believe your reasonings ?

they shouldn't for as history shows, all human reason ultimately is flawed or we would all get along much better than we have as a species <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

Quote:Why and how could we trust the product of evolution- a process of random molecular events which supposedly produced a human brain. How could we ever trust any conclusion any of us might reach if all is a product of chance ?

quantum physics shows that even the fundamental physics of reality is all a crap shoot (i.e. random chance)... so do you trust that you exist... that the universe exists... all products of random things... as for evolution... the mutations are indeed random errors in dna replication but natural selection is what propogates those changes that are of survival advantage into the gene pool, hence evolution... why human intelligence evolved must be some survival advantage to outwit, outplay, outsmart all the beasts and environment and need for food, water and shelter that are just trying to get the best of primitive man, and us too if we were not so sheltered already by civilization. And our conclusions are not chance for a lot of energy is expended at chaning this random chaos of the universe into the genetic encoding, molecular encoding and neurological encoding that allows us to think and reason... and as an ex physics teacher, I can guarantee you that 90% of people have highly flawed reasoning as they struggle with physics and even the best of us, like an Einstein made their fair share of reasoning mistakes but they worked hard so even if only a few percent of the time they were perfect or close enough, they still reasoned enough out of nature to give us a peak into God's grand design.

Quote:Do not say that God is behind it all.

the way i see it, God only needed to set some very fudamental in motion, very intricately tuned so that it could allowed all the physics that allows all the chemistry that allows all the evolutionary biology that allows me to be here now thinking and typing and interacting with you over the internet

Quote:Evolutionists cannot have it both ways. Evolutionary theory is driven by an anti-God sentiment and spirit.

i disagree i think it is antiGod to say he took clay and was a two bit molder and two bit instant presto magician and then there was everything.. that is surely limited by man's imagination thousands of years ago.. but now with physics we can imagine and even reason and even prove science that tells us that God is far more great than any primitive man could have imagined that he could make such beautiful physics that leds to something as simple and elegent while complicated and mundane as evolution.. i praise God by seeking the truths he has for us to find with science and i am not so blasphemous as ancient men, especially since i am a woman, to suppose that i or any other men have known what God is limited in doing... and the more science find out the more the fundamentals are mysterious and fascinating and show glory to the creator of this elegent universe that allowed this magnificent evolution of all life.. .just hope we humans, don't keep screwing up the works <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

Quote: Its premise is that God is unnecessary to explain the universe.It also ,of course, negates taking The Bible's history of creation literally and thereby discounts it as a serious witness to the origins of any species of plant, animal, humankind or thing.

without God, you would not have existance so it actually shows more so his necessity... as for the bible creation story.. it is just a story... just like science has shown that mental illness is not caused by demon possesion and pathological diseases are caused by bateria and viruses and body malfunctions and not punishments by God... stars and planets are not omens but have scientifically explainable paths due to gravitational forces... we can take the lessons on how to be a good person and live a good kind charitable forgiving life from the bible but we don't have to believe all the fanciful stories written by uneducated and sometimes ignorant and maybe even sometimes delusional men.

Quote:All of that is done without a scintilla of evidence that hydrogen gas turns itself into stars, planets, oceans, land, tomatoes , trees , mountains and humans.

take a science course there is a mound of evidence.

Quote:Biological evolution , simply put (which evolutionists are loathe to do), is that hydrogen gas evolved into a planet with oceans which somehow developed amino acids, which somehow, after billions of years,

you got that all wrong.. cosmic evolution says that big bang produced the unverse, space and time itself and hydrogen and gravity caused them to clump into stars and that gravity compression forces cause hydrogen to fuse int helium and other phsyics cause some stars at some points of fuel exhuastion to explode and produce the heavier elements and then those fuse into planets and if the conditions are right like on earth, then God brilliant glorious physics allows molecules and lo and behold those essential for primoridal life to be created... and some of those are proteins needed for cell structure and enzymes for converting smaller molecules into more complicated ones, and dna and rna, and walla... life... and changes in dna and selective forces create a diversity of life and hence the natural selection of more and more evolved forms of life... it is quite beautiful and MY God gave us this system that led to us to understand it and it is blasphemous to lie and deny it just because you did not learn the science or do the experiments to understand it... God is far above the petty men that wrote the books of the world religions and the intolerance and narrow mindedness of religions are creations of men not God.

Quote: combined to produce a living cell of pond scum; that pond scum reproduced and multiplied and eventually evolved and improved itself into fish,frogs,crocodiles,dinosuars,horses,chimpanzees,... and Jesus Christ Himself.

you bet ya! and the fact that Jesus existed does save us cause it gives us hope that even at this imperfect stage of evolutionary mess we waring spiting brainwashed humans are at... a perfect kind divine soul like Jesus could exist and exists for all of us to find for ourself.

Quote:One solitary scum.
And this has been Christened as "SCIENCE".
It is one of the most earnest religions I know. Its adherents exercize more faith in its tenets than most Christians do in the tenets of Jesus.
Such faith is obviously blind; it is a desperate attempt to dethrone God and usurp Him with a cloud of gas, the father of all, now worshipped as "Science".
Talk about hot air !

you dethrone God by denying the natural world as he created it as we can now discern by being brainwashed and blinded by milenia old ignorant men's words in books.

Quote:Of course, Science textbooks change every year. Compare a Science textbook from 1900 to one printed this year, then compare one from 1800, and tell me that in the year 2500, we will still read and hold the same theories proposed today. The one thing science documents is constant change in science.

of course science changes, as we develop more technology and knowledge and geniuses find otherwise unresolved clues to the nature that God created as he created it and not as ignorant milenia old men GUESSED how he created it.

Quote:Nothing wrong with that; but lets not confuse science with "The Truth". He whose name is "The Truth" does not change, neither does His word. The book of Genesis today is the same as the book Jesus quoted 2000 years ago :

I agree that the ONLY TRUTH EVER and probably FOREVER are the teachings of Jesus of how we should be in our deeds, thoughts, actions, heart and soul... it is the only truth for us humans, everything else is just deductions from our senses that we reason and knowledge as best our ability.

Quote:Mr 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.Mr 10:6 (BYZ) apo de archv ktisewv arsen kai yhlu epoihsen autouv o yeov
Mr 10:6 (MUR) But, from the beginning, God made them a male and a female.
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Mt. 19:4 (AV) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
4 (BYZ) o de apokriyeiv eipen autoiv ouk anegnwte oti o poihsav ap archv arsen kai yhlu epoihsen autouv
4 (MUR) And he answered and said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made them at the beginning, made them a male and a female?
Nwn0 db9 0tbqnw 0rkd ty$rb Nm db9d whd Nwtyrq 0l Nwhl rm0w 0n9 Nyd wh 4 (PESHITTA)
Mt 19:5 (AV) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
5 (BYZ) kai eipen eneken toutou kataleiqei anyrwpov ton patera autou kai thn mhtera kai proskollhyhsetai th gunaiki autou kai esontai oi duo eiv sarka mian
5 (MUR) And he said: For this reason, a man shall leave his father and his mother, and adhere to his wife; and they two shall be one flesh.
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yeh... so someone wrote that... its nice.. religion should help us to learn from our ancestors and hopefully the best in humanity, but it should not blind us to real TRUTHS.

Quote:We have Genesis Dead Sea scrolls 2000 years old. They read the same as what Jesus read, according to the NT Aramaic and Greek texts of Matthew and Mark quoted above.
First of all, Jesus accepted the accuracy of Genesis and quoted it as authoritative truth about the creation of man.

Well, his upbringing and knowledge was human so of cousre he believed what the people of his time believed, but his heart and soul was divine so things of the spirit he was the Truth.. he would tell you now forsake this material world for the kindgom of God is not here in our books or earth... they are in the essence of what makes us good and therein God lies and that is where Jesus found him and brought him to us.

Quote:
Secondly, Jesus said "God made them male and female from the beginning", meaning man was created at the beginning of creation.
"The beginning" refers to the six days of creation, as related in Genesis. Whether the first or the sixth day (man created on the 6th), both are referred to as "the beginning". How could that be, if creation was already 14 billion years old when man was created, as evolution teaches ?
If "the beginning" had more than one general sense than that used in Genesis 1:1 , Jesus would have elucidated it. He assumes the existence of man "from the beginning" elsewhere as well :
Mt 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mr 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Jesus' quotes from Genesis here carry more weight for me than all the Evolution textbooks ever written and Darwin's Origin of Species combined.
How about you ?

Jesus speaks to my heart and not my science so I listen to how he tells me how I should be and not how my science should be... he was a simple man who dealt with humanity and psychology, not science and engineering... so I can completely separate the two. How about you?

Shushan
Hi Shushan,

I majored in Biology at Rutgers University; please do not condescend by telling me to "
Quote:take a science course there is a mound of evidence
."

I asked:

Quote:Why should anyone believe your reasonings ?


You responded:

Quote:they shouldn't for as history shows, all human reason ultimately is flawed or we would all get along much better than we have as a species

I shall comply.

You seem to think Jesus Christ was a guru who knew nothing about "Engineering and Physics".

I believe He was and is the Creator of The universe, including Physics, Engineers, Mathematicians, Newton,Einstein and you and me. He did not say He merely spoke the truth. He said, "I am The Truth". He said many such things.

A "simple man" who says that is a madman.

I would never give credence to him if I did not believe He is Who He said He is.

Are you aware that The Aramaic NT names Him as "Jehovah" [font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]0yrm[/font] 32 times ?

When Caiaphas, the high priest, charged Jesus under oath, "Are you the Messiah, The Son of The Living God ?",
Jesus said "Ena na" -[font=Estrangelo (V1.1)] 0n0 0n0[/font], which effectively meant,
"I AM the Living God."

One can understand why Caiaphas ripped open his clothes and cried "Blasphemy!" .

Jesus was crucified for this, not for teaching love and mercy and peace.

If He were a mere "simple man", he was delusional- probably paranoid schizophrenic.

I assume you have an interest in what The Peshitta says, since you are here on the forum.

Shlama,

Dave
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